Kentucky General Assembly: Damned if they Do and Damned if they Don't

SHOOT THE MESSENGER (0.00 / 0)

Shack, Personally, I think you are full of it.

Your main discourse, with the organization may have more to do with the marriage issue, which you probably opposed.

If the FAMILY COUNCIL as you say , is so FULL OF IT, then I think it would be fair, for a person of your journalistic ability, actually file a report on this blog that shows the undenifable fact;

THE NEW ENGLAND JOURNAL OF MEDICINE REPORTS THAT GAMBLING IS THE NUMBER ONE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE IN THE UNITED STATES.

I guess Shack, SCIENCE, not relevant, compared to your obvious hate, for people that disagree, with alternative lifestyles.

I would think a writer of your caliber would be much more interested in posting THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ISSUE, rather than you displeasure with the statements made by Mr. Hack due to his stand on the marriage issue.

Now, I know your rebuttal is going to be strong, for I have hit a nerve. Let it roll, but think about the families that will suffer if Casino Gaming comes to Kentucky? Your statement, to this blogger, is MISGUIDED AND EMOTIONAL AND NOT WELL THOUGHT.

For each compulsive gambler the negative side of the issue impacts 17 other people.  And, 3% of the USA population are considered to be compulsive gamblers.

Kentucky has four million citizens . . . And if half, 2m take to Casinos then that spells lots of money for psychological treatment.

You do the math!

Jim Anderson Stivers

Frankfort, Kentucky

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by: Jim Anderson Stivers @ Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 11:30:41 AM CST

heh (0.00 / 0)

Yea Shack, let's leave the science to Ostrander, Frank Simon and Ken Ham.

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by: MediaCzech @ Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 11:58:54 AM CST

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Going all GOP on us JAS! (0.00 / 0)

JAS I don't care if you think I am full of it or not. I hate frigging hypocrites trying to run our lives via the media and our government. I don't care who wants in on the casinos and especially don't care how you twist what I wrote, but know this little man, if you stand with the Simon's, Ostrander's and Hack's of the world you're in for a big surprise.

We have problem gamblers today living in Kentucky and no money to treat them, you cure a snake bite with the snake's venom. You treat problems gamblers with gambling money. The venom cures the bite. That is my opinion.

Sonka has the best point of the day on this issue.    

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by: Shack @ Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 12:51:01 PM CST

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SCIENCE AND THE CASINO ISSUE (0.00 / 0)

Media,

What is wrong with providing scientific, medial facts, about the impact of gambling?

If there is science, true science, that says COMPULSIVE GAMBLING IS NOT . . . THE NUMBER ONE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE IN THE USA, PLEASE POST IT FOR US.

JAS

Jim Anderson Stivers

Frankfort, Kentucky

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by: Jim Anderson Stivers @ Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 12:13:43 PM CST

other bad things (0.00 / 0)

Lung cander and heart disease- caused by cigarettes
Car accident deaths- cars and alcohol
Violent crime- guns
etc, etc..

Pointing out that people have gambling addictions doesn't mean you outlaw all forms of gambling, just like pointing to alcoholism, lung cancer, and violence doesn't mean that you outlaw alcohol, cigarettes and guns.

There are plenty of valid arguments against casinos, but pointing to one article and then calling someone "full of it" and "full of hate" because he disagrees with your stance isn't a very strong argument.

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by: MediaCzech @ Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 12:29:09 PM CST

Casino issue (0.00 / 0)

If I twisted your comments then perhaps your post lacked CLARITY.

Problem Gamblers have been around since the first bet was made, I wish I knew the year on that.

I feel some compassion for the thousands in Kentucky that will be blind sided by compulsive gambling. Some, yes are already gamblers. Recently the state turned down funding the Eastern State Mental Hospital in Lexington. The faclity is old and out dated and needs some restoration.

Now, if the Generaf Assembly will not offer funds to update this important mental health facility, how much will the our Governor suggest we set aside for treatment of the number one mental illness in the USA? GAMBLING.

I see your point and respect your point but don't throw venom on those that disagree by posting angry messages that displease you, on other issues. Keep it in the road and the main issue is.

"THE NEW ENGLAND JOURNAL OF MEDICINE REPORTS GAMBLING IS THE NUMBER ONE MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEM IN THE USA."

AND , that IS A FACT!

I do care what happens to my fellow man. And I will not sit ,in neutral, while the perception of this issue continues to spout messages that are NOT TRUE.

Have you actually seen a copy of the PHANTOM REPORT?

IF SO, PLEASE POST IT.

I guess the fact that KEEP WANTS 64% of the take for Horses does not bother you.

If so, then where will the money be for  Education, Health and many more significantly important issue, IMO?

jas in frankfort

Jim Anderson Stivers

Frankfort, Kentucky

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by: Jim Anderson Stivers @ Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 13:21:54 PM CST

Media (0.00 / 0)

I expected you to support the issue that Shack has mentioned.
Why is when ever the subject of Alternative Lifestyle comes up that you and your gang, get so angry?

I respect anyones opinion to post a contrary view, just make sure the view is fact and not perception or in alignment with the current administrations needs to have some bloggers support their current agenda.

"""""From the Bluegrass Report (Tuesday, March 21, 2006)

First, it was audaciously hypocritical to listen to Ostrander -- the man who led charge in 2004 to give the voters the option of amending the state's constitution to ban gay marriage -- argue that those same voters ought not have that same right on this issue. In 2004, Ostrander said this about the gay marriage amendment.

"This was just a single issue that we tossed out there to the people of Kentucky to let them wrestle with," Ostrander said.


Jim Anderson Stivers

Frankfort, Kentucky

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by: Jim Anderson Stivers @ Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 13:25:52 PM CST

ooo.. (0.00 / 0)

nice innuendo JAS!!! Way to elude to the homosexual mafia being at work here at BGR, or "our gang".

People with a conscious that aren't bigoted tend to get angry when people are vilified simply because of how they were born. Oh wait, that's not Ostrander "science", is it?

and nice "agenda" reference, you're an absolute riot.

and it's spelled- H-o-l-o-c-a-u-s-t...

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by: MediaCzech @ Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 13:58:57 PM CST

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Damned if they do, damned if the don't! (0.00 / 0)

Thank you for pointing out my spelling error. I knew the spelling police would return.

Go back and look at your blog fellows, ever time something that is posted, raised the question about alternative lifestyle, this blog is all over the poster.

I agree, we can disagree, without being mean spirited.
My post was not interned to be mean spirited, my post was to ask to examine the content of previous post.

It is apparent, there exist little HUMAN COMPASSION, in your rhetoric on this particular subject. And, that is CASINO GAMING. That's all it was, but . . . I stand by my previous post. If offended or you feel attacked, I am sorry, that was not my intent.

Good day to ya, I am done here with this subject.

Jim Anderson Stivers

Jim Anderson Stivers

Frankfort, Kentucky

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by: Jim Anderson Stivers @ Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 14:59:22 PM CST

damned (0.00 / 0)

sorry Media I left the y off my last post. Sorry.

Jim Anderson Stivers

Frankfort, Kentucky

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by: Jim Anderson Stivers @ Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 15:01:28 PM CST

Uninformed and unhealthy (0.00 / 0)

Dear Shack:

It's cowardly to post things in a completely unaccountable way. That said, I was encouraged when the e-mail I received after registering with your blog indicated its purpose is "to promote a healthy conversation about policy and politics." I love irony.

From your writing, it seems you may not be clear on what the word "liberal" means. Here are a couple of things that might be helpful to you:

- I'm a Returned Peace Corps Volunteer (Costa Rica, 92-94) (by the way, have you served your country Shack?)
- I spent 5 1/2 years as a top official in the Governor's Office during the Patton Administration. The program I started was recently recognized by the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard as one of the 50 most innovative governmental programs in the country.
- I had no involvement whatsoever in the marriage amendment debate.
- My entire life has been committed to service to others, especially people in disadvantaged communities and situations.
- My convictions about expanded gambling were formed when the lottery was passed in KY, and have never wavered since then. My opposition is based on the fact of its fundamental unfairness as a means of providing revenue for government.

Your unwillingness to verify your posting, like that of Mark Nickolas before you, is indicative of an unfortunate and gutless way of transmitting information about people. I'd be glad to give you the truth behind your misleading post if you'd like to get it. Courage is healthy after all.

I admire your goal "to promote a healthy conversation about policy and politics" Perhaps you may want to verify what you post about individuals before you post it though. That approach seems "healthier" to me.

Finally, your joke/pun about my last name is really, really clever. You truly have a razor wit. I haven't heard that before..."hack" vs. "Hack"...it's really hilarious. Nice job.

I wish you well on your blog. It's certain that we need to do all we can "to promote a healthy conversation about policy and politics." In the event you read books, I have several that you might want to peruse to figure out where the word "liberal" fits in the gambling debate.

JM

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by: JMHack @ Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 14:57:37 PM CST